Apr 20
Mike Capps says Epic Games won’t ever make a game for the Wii: “we go forward, not back”
Epic Games’ president, Mike Capps, reiterated what Epic has previously said in an interview with IGN, stating that Epic won’t ever be developing games for the Wii. It’s not about the success of the platform to him, but what can be done on it. When asked whether there would ever be a time when Epic would be forced to give in and create a game for the Wii, Capps said, “no, we go forward, not back. It makes more sense for us to invest in the next-generation tech.”
As for why he believes the Wii has become so popular, he says it’s like a virus that just keeps spreading:
It’s a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they’re like, “Oh my God that’s so cool, I’m gonna go buy it.” So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they’ve showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. Obviously there’s a class of people who really love it and enjoy it and are getting into the games but I’m still waiting for that one game that makes me play it.
Some in our forums have shared a similar sentiment regarding games for the Wii (at least this year), but others are very excited about the upcoming games for the system. It seems that in many cases it may just be personal taste.
Capps also talks about everything from Gears of War 2, Grand Theft Auto IV, and Unreal Tournament III to the comics, paying for weapons, and Wii Fit, so if you want to hear more of what he has to say make sure to read the rest of the interview.
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When I want to play games that ‘go forward’, I’m usually looking in matters of gameplay concepts and not technical prowress. When I want to do the exact opposite, look for games that either stay idle in the conceptual department (if not go backward outright) I will look for the next regurgitation of Unreal Tournament.
It seems everyone who doesn’t like the Wii finds it necessary to slam those who do through backhanded condescension. People like him say “I’m looking for that one killer game that will make me want to play it”, but honestly, if it hasn’t happened by now, since there are plenty of quality games available for the Wii (and rightfully, a slew of shitty ones), it ain’t ever going to happen.
Wii sucks ass1 The first commenter is a n00b!
What a terribly short-sighted statement. “We go forwards, not backwards” is far too vague. Forwards, how? In graphical capability? In how many objects you can display at once? Or real deep like, say, AI design?
So, liek, what? Why should graphics continue to improve while interface stays at either an imaginary, never gonna happen concept or a standstill with an extra button thrown in? WiiMote might not work as well as I’d like, but, hey, it was a step forward.
“Wii sucks ass1 The first commenter is a n00b!”
You sure told me, fucktard.
They’re going to lose money. I’m gonna laugh later when the Wii expands its userbase much farther and they’ll be forced to make a Wii game.
@joe
Dude. Shut up.
Btw, I don’t care about Epic either way though.
Good job, Joe. You have become the ultimate inspiration for birth control for millions of teens worldwide! I salute you for making such a difference in the world!
Poopface Morty summed up my feelings in his statement. After trying UT3, Gears of War is the only series from Epic I pay attention to. Epic staying away from the Wii doesn’t break my heart.
LOL the First catagory is Failure.
I’ll lol when they have to take back what they said.
Well, maybe gameplay looks great on wii, but it’s just an illusion.
Yes, you have to move your own body if you want to play, but that’s not gameplay, that’s interaction with the game interface controler.
If you look a game like Zelda (wich I actually own as a wii), you can see nothing more than the gamecube one. You can only aim easier, I don’t think this worth the price of a new console.
They are many mini-games with ridiculous gameplay, simplified as possible and with pitefull graphics.
Now take a look on Assassin’s creed of exemple. The gameplay is just perfect, action is great and they are several ways to play it. What game on wii actually have such gameplay ?
It’s backward in many way. Poor graphics, poor lifelenght, poor gameplay. Only great interaction with your body (but it’s recommanded to play with minimalistic movements).
So why ? I bought a wii, yes it’s fun, yes they are great game but it’s nothing more than a toy, a great idea (moving your body) with bad hardware, limiting the fun and enjoyement potential of this console.
The Wii’s user interface is main reason why new users purchase the console, it is nothing more than a PS2 or Xbox with the addition of a gimmick/novel controller.
Nintendo have however hit a nerve either with a new generation to gamers or with traditional gamers board with the old style controllers. Sony and Microsoft will have seen the light and they will counter the Wii controller and as they already have the better consoles and far better games the Wii will fall behind, the life cycle of the Wii is no more than 2 or 3 years and not 7 years plus.
What a crap commentry!
Because Epic cant be BOTHERED to do something on the Wii its plain IDIOCY!
With the Wiimote wäre es die PEFEKTE Console for FPS.
Ive got a Gamer PC and dont need the Xbox360/PS3.
but i LOVE my Wii!
better MP3/mario galaxy as the xten shooter on the Xbox 360/boring PS3 games!
This is awesome news. The Wii is nothing but shovelware and last gen games. It has brought nothing new to this generation and taken a lot away from PS3/360. More developers should be just like Epic and rely on it as a money maker, instead of making games on it. All games are better on PS3/360 anyway.
wii is the greatest consonle in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if your dream game is to play bowling
Wiimote SUCKS for fps. Go play with a keyboard and mouse, thats the best way to play. Everyone brain washed you into thinking that it is good. Go try and play MP3 against another person with a wiimote, it would suck and thats why there is no multiplayer. Just get over it. The Wiimote is a gimmick and motion control isnt even used in Nintendo’s best games. They needed something to make you think it was better than the 360/PS3 cause it sucks so bad. GJ buying into the hype. Go play online with grandmas and babies!
Looks like we attracted some MS and Sony fanboys (not to mention people who are completely unable to spell normal, everyday words). The ability to appreciate all consoles for what their good is, is still an impossibility to some.
@Edge
“Well, maybe gameplay looks great on wii, but it’s just an illusion.”
Not really, it’s just your opinion used to justify your bias against it. If it’s just an illusion, the system wouldn’t be selling as word of mouth would have put a stop to the momentum it’s had, but that hasn’t happened and the system is still impossible to find.
“Yes, you have to move your own body if you want to play, but that’s not gameplay, that’s interaction with the game interface controler.”
Unless of course the whole interaction with the ‘game interface controller’ part is crucial to the gameplay to begin with. Sorry, but that is gameplay.
“If you look a game like Zelda (wich I actually own as a wii), you can see nothing more than the gamecube one. You can only aim easier, I don’t think this worth the price of a new console.”
Which is precisely why it came out on the Gamecube as well…what’s your point? nvm, don’t answer, because I wager there isn’t one because you don’t have to buy another console to play it, making that whole statement pointless. No need to remind us every other paragraph that you in fact own a Wii and own the games, somehow making your bias any more subjective.
“They are many mini-games with ridiculous gameplay, simplified as possible and with pitefull graphics.”
Are you talking about a specific game, games in general for the Wii? Yeah, it’s a haven for minigames, but there’s a great selection of quality titles as well.
Oh, FYI…’pitiful’.
“Now take a look on Assassin’s creed of exemple. The gameplay is just perfect, action is great and they are several ways to play it.”
Being a little selective here, aren’t we? Taking the broad subjective (and IMHO inaccurate) opinion of an entire console against one game that was hyped all to hell (which turned out to in fact be slightly above average). What makes its gameplay perfect? The action is great…yeah, so? There are games on the Wii that the same can be said for.
“What game on wii actually have such gameplay ?”
Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Brawl, Zelda Twilight Princess, No More Heroes, Mario Strikers, Zack & Wiki.
“It’s backward in many way. Poor graphics, poor lifelenght, poor gameplay. Only great interaction with your body (but it’s recommanded to play with minimalistic movements).”
Backwards? You seem to be looking at features only, not what kind of impact the system has had on the industry as a whole. Hell, Sony copycatted almost instantly after the Wiimote unveiling and displayed their half assed attempt at motion controls in the Sixaxis. If Nintendo can cause that kind of imitation that fast, I’d say they’re moving forward. Maybe you are the one who is behind?
Poor lifelength? Based on what?
And who recommends playing with minimalistic movements? Your friends? Fat people?
“…I bought a wii, yes it’s fun, yes they are great game but it’s nothing more than a toy”
Can’t the same be said about all video games in general? Sure, the other two consoles are DVD players and media centers and coffee makers and etc., but then we’re not talking about the games then, are we? Anyway, you weren’t finished I see…
“a great idea (moving your body) with bad hardware, limiting the fun and enjoyement potential of this console”
Bad hardware? The crazy-statements just don’t end. I’m assuming at this point you’re just pulling statements out of your ass and are trying to keep some steady ground on your argument, but at this point you must have gave up.
The truth is hard for some of you anti-Nintendo fanboys to swallow, but they are currently on top, their system is still pretty hard to find, and it is selling like crazy. Like it or not, the Wii is a success.
people are just starting to realize that the wiimote is just a gimmick and that its good games are the ones with very little wiimote movement. (galaxy, twilight, ect.)
Lame 3rd party games,
Little appeal to hardcore fans
The WORST online mode of its day (i hate you friend codes)
E to T only rated games (Epic pretty much does M only)
Very low graphical quality
From Epics’ perspective (and mine), it is a step backwards
yeah we saw how forward EPIC went with UT 3
Same game, less options, better graphics
good going epic
you guys went downhill fast
then again, all of epic’s games have been nothing more then substance
the last good game epic made was UT2k4
Poor hardware? Lets talk about how much money Microsoft has spent in repairing the thousands of consoles they shipped.
Poor graphics? Well, we all KNOW that the Wii doesn’t have the capabilities as its counterparts, however, the graphics are far from poor/last gen. What you see is developers being lazy. Mario galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, super paper mario/zack&wiki (for their colorful and clean presentaion) all have really GOOD graphics. Like I said, it’s not a PS3 or a XBox, but they are surely not crappy by any means. Have you seen the new screens/tech demo for The Conduit? That’s what a little bit of effort can do.
Lets talk about a step backward….A more powerful grpahics card/CPU, though not advanced as its counterparts, is…well..not a step backwards. Having a poorer card than the gamecube is actually a step backwards. And whats up with XBoxs’ lack of wifi? and $100 for a dongle? Really? For a 450 dollar top-end machine, thats really sad (go Sony for knowing what is important!)
It does have a really poor online service. It’s in its infancy, yet it is really poor. Lets jump on that band wagon Nintnedo.
And well, to Epic games… If you’re so “forward” why not tackle the Wii and make the best looking games anybody (including first party) has seen. And why not fine tune the controller while you’re at it? Maybe looking into developing new code is scary for you, or you don’t want to pay for the development of a new engine, but just SAY it then. “we’re too lazy” or “we don’t care” is much better than trying to put yourself above the console. Because you’re not. They have had much more success with their “backward” console then you have with your “forward” games. If your goal is to make more money, well, port your games. You’ll definitly find that your companys value and reputation would blossom.
This guy knows what he’s talking about. One of my mates is a nintendo fan and so he automatically bought the wii. Then people played his and everybody, including me, thought it was cool and immediately bought one. Now I’ve sold mine and all my other friends have sold it or keep it hidden away somewhere. It’s a gimmick
So many commentors seem like N-haters. Well for the ones saying “Wii is shovelware!” you are already wrong, the wii is not shovelware, it’s just retarted publishers are being retarted and not trying to push the Wii to its limit, instead they are being as lazy as possible and still make money. Also, you do not have to move your body to play Wii games, a slight shake will do the trick or a slight tilt. Epic is being retarted just by saying that “Devoloping on the Wii is going backwards, we only go forwards”, if its so backwards, then why are better games starting to come out on it? Why is it a BEST SELLER? Why are less and less games using motion? (because its a gimmick to hook people, and not it’s at a minimal for new games.)
Honestly, if someone says Wii is like a last gen console… LOOK THE FUCK AGAIN!
Poopface Morty, is the one of the only sensible persons in this thread. Seems like a lot of you just don’t like the Wii for whatever reasons but the fact remains that it DOES have a good library (Okami, TP, Bully, RE4, Smash, Metroid, Galaxy, No more Heores, etc) , and it IS a financial and commercial success. Maybe some of you feel the need to hate on it b/c you cannot accept this reality.
Thats hilarious to me because I play UT3 with my Wii Remote on my PC. On max settings it’s an amazing looking game, but it plays infinitely better (like all FPSs) with the Wii Remote and Nunchuck.
And for the record, Metroid Prime 3 has made me say “wow” for it’s art, graphics and gameplay more than Unreal has for it’s (admittedly cool) engine upgrade. Wii has its issues, but for FPSs it pwns.
That’s good news. There is no point making games for the Wii. It sucks anyway.
Only ignorant people buy Wii. “Ohh! It’s cheap!” Grow some brain!
Wii needs to die, seriously.
The wii is an innovation to say the least but it wont be a long lived one. people will realize wiimote isn’t that great. Playstation has already proved this with their motion-sensing that it’s impractical for most games now. and for everyone that says the developers are just lazy. games can make or break a console, so therefore by saying that your saying it isn’t worth it. The wii’s success will depend on if they can keep their fanbase.but back to epic. Their success has been based almost entirely off of graphics innovations, namely unreal engine. that is why they don’t want to create games for wii. im an xbox fanboy but im trying to keep the bias down. the wii is not last-gen, its only considered so due to the fact that it does’nt have the same graphics capabilities as sony and microsoft. to survive nintendo will need to keep innovating.
I’m hardcore and I’m not looking forward to Wii fit I’ll be playing other games like most other hardcore Wii gamers. Did this guy actually admit that he is part of the expanded audience?
The other UTs ran just fine on the PS2…. I mean it may take a lot of ads yet he can forget that now…
Seriously Mr. capp owns a game company he could you know actually release some good games for it and people are buying the Wii because it is fun when they try it, sort of like how games use to be before you needed key bindings to play a game. Really thats what hardcore gaming is about. I mean really he has a nice bank account? Has he played no more hero’s, sin and pun for the VC? Is he mad that jazz jack rabbit is not on there? Who knows but really epic can make Gears2 in the dark with their eyes closed. I mean really just open up the level editor and add some more maps… etc.
Hey really they have no competition on the Wii if they only just port the xbox version of the engine to the Wii. Maybe they won’t do this because they know factor 5 is about to release some thing big for it? Did he know about Conduit which does every thing shader wise that the UTe2.5 does?
It’s weird because every time I heard the argument that the Wii is not hardcore it reminds me why these guys are NOT hardcore gamers. More like displaced gamers circling their wagons in defense of the last standing pillar of FPS gaming which are the HD consoles. Sadly the PC did not welcome the new shiny UT3 game even though it actually has Mod d/l stuff WOW huh? Yet hardly any one bought it. Now we hear talk of epics next engine which is console only…. and you know what this puts them in a way in danger of become irrelevant because console specs are not set in stone and epic is binded to shader tech and any thing truly different would be a problem for them. A similar thing happened to sega when they backed power VR which is partly what killed them also.
The fan boys that plays these games are very fickle and a good game can and will crush epic. Seriously the wii could do a WOW all the way down to old school 2d games because of it’s balance of tech.
Also the tech argument is silly now that 8800s can be bought for around 150-200 dollars and they don’t RROD and the truthfully the HD stuff is starting to look over priced since it is competing with the High end pc stuff.
Also the Wii mote is great and the Wii it self is the only system that truly gives you a choice of how you want to play. Truthfully 3d game play has been broken every since the 1st PS. After seeing conduit pretty much show tech on par with epic stuff minus the polygon counts I really wondering what will happen once the graphics bar for the Wii moves a little closer to the HD stuff minus the resolution. I mean it’s really what happened with the PS2. People are going to push this little system because their IS money to be made. Epic did not help any one win any gaming wars. They where on the xbox last gen and it did not matter. I’m quite happy for them and truthfully they should stick to their thing but the other FPS are going to make gamers put them on the shelf like id if they are not careful. Seriously COD4 IS what those gamers want. I mean really UT3 is great yet no one bought it… just like Doom3 but at least people where actually talking about it. Yet you here nothing about it….. Wouldn’t it be funny if id actual finds a way to run quake wars on the Wii, with the new Id tech, of course after nintendo releases a Hard drive!
well im coo with nintendo and 360 and ps3 but the fact is wii out sells ALL its funny how people talk about having to move around to play lol cause thats not all the games. ya a slight flick of the rist will do, and another funny thing is that hmm why is xbox trying to imitate nintendo with its recent report on lets hope its not just a roumor the newton or what not, funny how they wanna copy the wii and one last thing hmm im pretty sure that when the ppl from epic were just wii lil children they played nintendo and lets think if it wasnt for nintendo who made the gaming industry so big then lets see would epic ever have been created, would xbox exist, would even the ps3 or any playstation exist i didnt think so so in other words should’nt u thank nintendo for ur jobs instead of talking shit pichi putos
Though both sides have made some valid points, I have to agree that a good majority of Wii owners got the console because “it looks cool,” and this half of the user base is taking a lot away from the wii.
To Poopface Morty..
There is no groundbreaking gameplay in SMG, Z:TP, or SSBB. SMG is an excellent game because of great level design not gameplay.
Truth is there are a handful of games on the Wii that make it worth owning, and the Wii can provide gaming experiences not found on the PS3 or 360.
P.S. before any of you brand me a fan boy I own all 3 next gen systems, as well as last gen, I enjoy all 3 consoles equally.
“Their success has been based almost entirely off of graphics innovations, namely unreal engine. that is why they don’t want to create games for wii. im an xbox fanboy but im trying to keep the bias down. the wii is not last-gen, its only considered so due to the fact that it does’nt have the same graphics capabilities as sony and microsoft. to survive nintendo will need to keep innovating.”
I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of ‘innovate’. You can’t ‘innovate’ with better graphics…that’s just pushing forward technology.
I can’t believe this discussion of “Wii is bad because of bad graphics” landed here…that’s fucking Gamefaqs talk for christ-sakes.
If nintendo made the game intustry so big than y does it suk so much.Its pretty much clear that the wii sucks, it’s ment 4 lil kids and 4 retarded ppl. They stold the motion sensoure bcuze that was the only ok thing they could take the rest suckz badly!! Gears of war is much better than all of the games on the wii
The wii blows. Owned by the best team EPIC!
i dont know why people cares so much cos “next gen graphics” the wii is a great console, so r the others. The ps3 has great power, but almost no game run at real 1080p. So, no one´s taking advatage of the power. Same as wii, gosh, everyone here started with a snes, or a PS1, and nobody shout loud because of poor graphics, but, if you like graphics so much, then gift me your snes, and your ps1, and your ps2, they had poor graphics, so r trash for u, am i correct?
PD: I agree with… someone. Epic made the unreal engine, so they´re lazy with the wii because of it.
Wii sucks, I can’t even play it late at night on my bed because my movement shakes the bed. My GF cannot sleep. BS system, sold that crap and got more for what I purchased for… WOW LOL
Whoa, what happened here?
The Wii is an awesome system, it dont need to be the greatest graphics system to be kool…Epic fails to know what the Wii is capable of, obviously they mad cuz their only top sellers was basicly just Unreal tournament and Gears of war….and gears of war is only awesome…the first 2 times you play it!!!!!!(rly, all you do is hide behind objects and shoot blindly in the air lol) and the online gets boring after maybe a month or 2….then you find yourself goin back to Halo or CoD4 or Smash Bros. Brawl.
and stop the friggin “nintendo is for kids” talk, just STFU about that, we heard that phrase and it dont work! not only cuz its not true, its also it makes you look pathetic as a failure in realizing the future!
and they dont know what great games nintendo actually makes, and the wii motion sensors and game movement is by far a great improvement in “NEXT-GEN”! get your heads out of your butts…Hardcore gamers play what they want, when they want, however they want, and still own ppl and CPU’s in many ways possible…its not how complex the game is that makes it hardcore! Good god….and ppl like that say they are mature…pfft
By the way…wheres proof that Wii is NOT next-gen?…it beats graphics of all the previous systems….its practicly sub-360….cuz i seen great detail in some of their games(so i aint talkin like no fanboy, i know it because its not hard to notice!!! you ppl obviously dont understand or too retarded, or too lazy to check out how things work, instead you assume the worst and just whine(dont worry im not meaning everybody, mainly those who are goin to flame me for this long ass comment)), not many developers are doin their job and rushin too much…and ppl know that, including other 3rd party know it!
This is off the subject, but guess what the worst game in the world is…..ASSASSINS CREED LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL…..WELL its true….you do the same thing over and over, and is basicly “hey who killed this guy?…wait a second, your not praying, YOU must be the killer!!” then your like “oh crap”
I speak as a true gamer!…plus if you dont believe me, then go look up stuff….takes only a few minutes, so dont go commentin about how much time i have on my hands,(so help me god those who do mention that are basicly nerds at home who wont get laid till theyre 40 lolzlolzollz
PS: sorry, i know this comment is long heheh
Well, i think, or should i rather say i know, epic games is taking games forward…. The wii sucks! O and epic games, if you read this comment, i want to say thanks to you for saying that, at least somebody seen the light.. Thanks again. Making games for wii is so stupid, how can somebody say the wii is taking games forward? You know it is a step backwards in gaming. Every true gamer would know that!! Trowing your controller around in mid air or hitting the cat of the chair with your wii controller sure aint taking games forward!! Games is about creating mature graphics, ai, physics, and trying to give a real life or movie like experience!! Epic games you did very good creating games like Gears of War and Unreal Tournament 3, etc. Thanks for taking games seriously. O and another thing about the wii, the hardware sucks!! What did they put in that console? I think that nintendo is still living in the past. Why nintendo, why? Get a f@****g grip and create something that actually takes games forward like the gamecube did!!! Or just stop f@****g around with shit like the wii, you are damaging the gameworld we as true gamers respect!! But i guess you won’t understand that, money chashing nintendo dogs!
I’ll stick with my PS3…I agree with Epic, it is the next gen, and, guess what, the controller is sixaxis so it’s the best of both worlds.
Cheers to Poopface Morty & Mr. Tingle… Intelligent debate is unfortunately hard to find on the intersurf nowadays…
The guy is an idiot, clearly. The only console that I know of people playing constantly without fail as he seems to demand would be the sad bastards playing Halo all night through.
wii is the future! wtf are they on about. sure wii doesnt hav the best graphics but it has solid controls and a good line of games (something ps3 lacks)
360 is probably the best console IMO just for its awesome lineup of games, wii is second for its awesome lineup games
ps3 could be better
Nice job printing the obvious troll-piece. God, I hope you don’t call yourselves journalists. Hey, here’s a story for you “Gears of war : worst story ever”.
Epic aren’t stupid developers, in fact, they are probably one of the best ones around at the moment.
I can see exactly what they mean in terms of a step back, and how they describe the Wii. Fanboy’s need not apply to this post, because honestly, the only people you’re trying to please are yourselves.
Now, the wii is a great selling machine, we sell them like crazy at my work here in Australia and we have NO stock due to shortages, we haven’t been selling any 360’s watsoever, sooo that leaves the PS3 and the Wii as the top selling consoles.
The Wii is not a powerhouse, nor is it even remotely attractive…Our largest consumer base are children and older people, not the 18-30 market of the PS3 and 360.
Why would Epic… known for it’s mature titles even WANT to create a game for the Wii?… there’s no market for mature titles, and lets face it, the graphics are terrible on a 1080p panel - The wii remote as clever as it was, gets old - and quick. It has way more limitations than a conventional controller like the Dual Shock or the 360 Control - Yes, M$ are doing Motion Sensing, but who cares? they stole the idea of windows aswell…
I’ll never buy a Wii. it’s not my cup of tea, I want to play a game that gets me emotionally involved, be surrounded by amazing, and beautiful worlds - and sit back and relax while i take my journey, i dont want to wave my arms around or be stuck in a low res environment playing 400 variations of a mini-game - which quite frankly makes up 90% of the wii library.
I totally agree with Epic in this case, call me a moron or whatever you like, but the Wii will get old eventually. And i don’t know why people even care, any serious/mainstream gamer will have more than one console anyway.
At the end of the Day, the Wii is not a piece of crap - it appeals to select people, coz it’s cheap, fun… watever, The PS3 and the 360 each have their place - Depends on what you want…
What people are not understanding is that the audience for Epic does not exist on the Wii. Studies have shown that the core audience of the Wii is not the FPS type or the type for complicated games, ergo the amount of mini-game collections and friendly mascots.
It has also been shown that Wii users don’t buy that many games to begin with, with most purchases being mini-games or games from the big N. Those who think that making a game on the Wii equals instant dollars should take into account that not all developers can conform to the genres that dominate the Wii userbase.
Also, with two contenders promoting high definition and the television sets with it, the Wii is going to luck lackluster in comparison on those two screens. I have a high definition TV and the PS3 and Xbox 360 look great on it, but the drawback was that all my old consoles(GC, Xbox, PSX, PS2 and the Wii) looked shit on it.
The Wii just has a different demographic than the other consoles, even though there are a few ardent gamers inbetween. Unfortunately those gamers are just too few to change the demographic in its entirety.
I think it’s funny that somebody from Epic says this, while Gabe Newell at Valve said the exact opposite a little while back. It’s also funny that UT3 sold like crap on PC and barely decent on PS3, but The Orange Box sold extremely well cross-platform (even better on PC than the consoles–which is a rare feat for a game these days, and indicative of how big a fanbase they have).
Now let’s see, whose games have reinvented the action/shooter genre multiple times? I’ll give you a hint–it’s not Epic’s stuff. GoW was at best an average game with a B-movie storyline and good coop. UT was an extension of deathmatch founded by Quake.
Meanwhile, Half-Life redefined what the single-player FPS experience should be, gave us some of the best voice-acting and writing in HL2 (not to mention the tech and visual artistry), and then reinvented the wheel again with Portal.
Which developer has brought gaming further, and who should be the one to talk when it comes to whether or not something is a step forward or back (UT3 is quite the throwback to 1999, ironically enough)?
Just a note: I’m not a Wii fan. In fact I avoided Nintendo after the SNES for a long time. I’ll admit there are a few good games on the system, though, and I’ll also admit I see a lot of untapped potential that developers really need to start looking into. People can call it “gimmicky”, but the only reason it feels like a gimmick is because developers are shoehorning the console’s features into a game rather than designing a game that fits well with the features.
Typical of what you get from those running the gaming industry these days. Most of whom wouldn’t know creativity if it smacked them in the face.
Most gaming companies these days are just meat grinders, regurgitating out the same crap with a new coat of paint year after year. Companies like Epic don’t want true creativity, they just want to churn out mindless content to the mindless masses and make $$$$ doing it, truely creative people just get in the way of this sort of business.
This person is speaking out of fear. As he knows deep down this is a clear sign that his company ideologically has it totally wrong.
Yeah… The Wii is the ultimate system to tell your friends to buy, so you can just use theirs every 2 months and not have to waste your own money on it.
Wii is not a console for epic games. derp.
xbox + playstation == next generation
wii == new generation
get with the times
wii is forward in gameplay and controls, but def backwards in capacity.
the ps3 and xbox360 could easily replicate what wii does with another controller and software, wii won’t be able to do the same.
Who cares about Epic, WII WIIl never have GTA.
well, nintendo may have implemented a new controller. but most of the games played with the wiimote are just crap. mario kart plays best just with the nunchuck. shooter-games still suck with the wiimote. and nintendos lineup hasnt changed at all. its still the same mario-games every two months. the only real kickass-game was super mario galaxy, wich really rocked!
I loved my Master system, my mega drive, and my super nintendo- not because they had uber graphics shiny reflections but because they were fun.
If I wanted shiny reflections in the water I’d play on my pc. Nintendo will continue to make fun games and I’ll continue to play them for when I want some console style games.
FPSs have always been horrible on consoles, you need the aiming of the mouse or Wiimote. If you enjoy autoaim Xbox controls then you’d prolly be better off just watching a war movie dvd- don’t want to overload yourself.
Wait, so the manager of a _game_ company says everyone he knows thinks the Wii is “so cool” but fails for not having games, and that’s why he won’t make games for it? Are you familiar with the old Robot saying “Does not compute”?
I own a 360 and Wii. They both have pros and cons. While my 360 was out on repair, the Wii held me over, but I have been letting my Wii know of the return of the true love of my life. I don’t want my Wii to think I didn’t appreciate the time we spent together. It’s just, well, the Wii can’t satisfy my appetite the way I’m used to.
But seriously, the Wii is last gen with upgraded control schemes. It’s not too hard to see that. That being said, last gen is not a bad thing either. Gameplay will always supercede looks. Nintendo is good at reminding you of that. No More Heroes may be one of the best games around and it’s not because of it’s graphics or which console it’s on. It’s the GAMEPLAY.
I still prefer my 360 over the Wii, but not for any of the reasons stated by haters above. Just a preference. The Wii will be around…
I 100% agree with him. Its no different than Apple products. Consumerism. Round off the corners, call it innovative and hip and suddently everybody needs one.
I’m not a fanboy, but until the Wii, I also haven’t bought a “Next-Gen” console since SNES (I’ve bought them when they were established, hardware bugs were fixed, and they were affordable).
I got a Wii b/c the opportunity arose to get it under retail and I couldn’t turn that down.
To all the people commenting regarding it not being “true” next gen, I have one link for you to consider (click the video on the right):
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=187294
The people who say it is not moving forward have their own tiny limited definitions of forward and are missing the bigger picture.
These are reasons why the Wii is moving forward:
It has pushed into a new market (many people have stated it is outside the typical 18-30 market, younger and older). This does not make it irrelevant but is in fact moving gaming to everyone.
It manages this by combining a new facet of gaming with an affordable product (these great graphics cost so much!).
It is a successful concept demo into new control methods which will be built upon in the future by all consoles and developers, the next-next-gen.
PS3 and 360 are pushing forward the already existing tech, in a current direction. Nintendo are moving away from their current point but in differing directions. Forward just doesn’t work here.
Nintendo are quite hot atm in my mind, the Wii and the DS are both providing new experiences and innovations and whilst games pretty physics engines are impressive from a geek side, the user interface innovations are as worthy. (I had to blow out candles on the DS. How awesome an idea!!)
This is the way I view the console war. PS3 and 360 have some sweet graphics. Wii has fun games. When I want to be entertained I go for what’s fun, if I want sweet graphics, I’ll look at pictures. I like my Wii.
I have played we and it sucks. It was fun for the first two weeks. The only people that I could see that really like the Wii, are women and anyone under 12 years old.
epic is talking as if wii is competing against other console. Fortune magazine did an interview with the creators of wii a couple months ago:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159995
(sorry I can’t find the actual website)
Some quotes from the article:
We were losing to the TV remote. So we thought what kind of controller can we create that wont make people afraid to touch it? - Miyamoto
We are not competing against Sony or Microsoft. We are battling the indifference of people who have no interest in video games - Iwata
I agree that epic may never have to do a game for wii - because i think wii isn’t targeting more of the ‘harder core gamers’ who like ps3,xbox..etc Wii doesn’t need epic as well because both have different target markets.
one thing for sure, wii has carved out a market of their own. 4 yr olds, my wife who can’t understand mmorpg or any of ps2/3 games, my mom…etc find wii easy to play and most of all fun. wii is profitable for each console sold.
as for improving to ‘higher specs’… all nintendo need is to put in a better graphic card + other hardware. perhaps just buy off sony/microsoft (since they are making a loss on every unit sold) *joking*
lol yeah 360 has no fun games guys… maybe you should take a look a the software sales. theres a far higher attachment rate with the 360. mainly because the people who actually buy games and play them buy 360s. hell i even have a good number of wii games but i still havent turned on my wii in maybe 6 months or so. but yeah no good games for 360.. lol. oh well, let me know how the next mario game is.
Hahaha, Epic. The Unreal Engine Sucks. Shadows are so busted. Ever try using their the UT3 Editor? Everything is broken. Wow, it crashes all the time or none of the features work. Haha. EA’s Crysis is so much better.
This is the most ridiculous amount of comments I’ve ever seen on the site. By the way I agree with EPIC.
How about super smash brothers brawl? Thats like the only reason you need to get a wii. It is that simple.
This thread has some really stupid comments left by really stupid people. Fanbois please note: who do you think you’re impressing with your immature bashing? It doesn’t make your e-peen any bigger you know.
Yes, that goes for Epic too (damn graphics whores)
How awesome would Unreal Tournament be on the wii with the Nyco gun, or even just using the wiimote like in Metroid? With full online play…. talk about sweet!!!
Ah yes the Wii is a step backwards, lets see since buying a PS3 I have played two games that I would call decent, oh wait those were PS2 games, yes thats a step forward. Ok Ok since buying my xbox 360 elite I have played well one game I would call decent oh damn not again that was an xbox game not an xbox 360 game. Ok fine lets look at the piece of crap backwards since owning a Wii I have played 6 games I would call decent, 2 of which I cant seem to stop playing. Damn backwards stepping piece of crap.
Now let’s look at the company that is saying Wii is backwards.Epic well their stock price is kind of pathetic but not bad. And their games well hmm they all seem to be the same damn thing over and over and over. Ah yes the stepping forward company known as Epic heres a concept Epic why don’t you wait for another Quake game to come out so you can steal the design and claim its innovative.
/dismiss
This is a ridiculous amount of comments and by the way I completely agree with EPIC.
Epic sucks. Instead of waiting for a game that makes you play it why dont you develop one?
Epic also sucks for abandoning their greatest game series ever, Jazz Jackrabbit.
The funny thing is all these Halo games,Call of Duty 4,and all these other games on Xbox 360 have been going on for years and years for the PC and alot better,and these people come in here and praise these games xbox has.Quake and Unreal was both way better than Halo,Counterstrike and other games for the PC where also way better.They say NIntendo is a gimmick,None of the console people on PS3 or Xbox 360 seem to realize that Unreal and Quake had way way better MODS and where out long before HALO.Point is Nintendo every single time leads the market in innovation,which is why they succeed and the console is way way cheaper,and their family games are awesome.Nintendo understands how important innovation is while the rest of the console’s try to out do the next one with hardware graphics. I would even go as far to say XBOX and PS3 all ready where done better on a PC.
“the life cycle of the Wii is no more than 2 or 3 years and not 7 years plus.”
Umm, dude. The Wii has been out already for 1.5 years, and it’s -STILL- sold out nearly everywhere.
first i bought a Wii. After a year of playing family friendly Mario franchise games I switched to the PS3. I have to say I spend alot more time with the PS3 then the Wii. But hey, the Wii was always marketed as a casual gaming system, and that’s just what it is. There way more casual gamers then “hardcore” gamers, thus the Wii sells more. But it cannot satisfy the needs of a person who really loves games and loves to see them get not only graphically better but just better in general. Even if the Ps3 or x-box had a wii-mote i don’t think grandma’s gonna start playing GTA IV anytime soon. Meanwhile you can pretty wii sports up all you want but without that controller it’d be crap.
The wii is a different concept in games all together. The PS3 and the x-box 360 are truly next gen. they are an advancement on there previous generation of systems. The wii is not so much as an advancement as a whole new beginning.
So if the Wii had the killer specifications of the PS3 or the 360, it would be better right? And about the systems being hardcore or not, it is all based on the system owner’s opinion. Why do you buy a game in the first place? Yes, to have fun. If you didn’t understand that concept then let the market reveal to you who’s your daddy.
Lol…first of all. Fuck Epic.
Second of all, the Wii is the only system with real innovation.
So…I believe by definition, the Wii is actually LEAPING forward while the others are just beefed up versions of there previous systems.
i’ll give 360 some credit, because it does have some decent games and live pwns. But ps3, regardless of what everyone says, can suck on my ball sack.
Of all the new systems out there, the Wii is the only one that thought outside the box and really explored what “going forward” means.
What makes the players experience better?
What makes the gameplay better?
Is it something superficial like the graphics? Or something deeper like the human-game interface?
The Wii’s answer was that the players interface to the game, and the game’s use of that interface, really defines what is possible in the game. Graphics does not. The same old controllers haven’t changed since the first Nintendo (or first Atari even!). The Wii changed all that dramatically; it’s controller allows for infinitely more control over your game, and infinitely greater potential that the games now need to use. Nintendo’s game entries have shown just how much potential it has, but it will take a bit before those singleminded primates in companies like Epic can begin to see the light and really make some great games.
Epic, you aren’t refusing to make games for the Wii because you want to “go forward”, you are refusing because you just don’t have the ability or creativity to move forward enough for the Wii… you’re stuck in the 80’s and it’s very sad.
Jeremy Ouellette
lol, too many damn post and adding one myself.
Epic, your lazy… the fact that the Wii doesn’t have enough M rated games would be good enough for me to go after that. Almost any true gamer would pick gameplay over graphics. better graphics doesn’t mean next-gen, that to me is the biggest gimmick ever, I have more fun playing Halo 2 over Halo 3. Gears of War is an amazing game as it was diffrent at the time but now they are getting hit by the way to many copies. All my freinds are still playing last-gen games and still prefer to play super nintendo. Why?, because back then games were about gameplay and story and not graphics. I think nintendo has the right idea but Nintendo Online his fucking horrible. But I prefer not playing online anyway, that crowd just pisses me off. All I seem to find online on 360 and ps3 online are fucking posers or 12 year old whiney bicthes.(Not all of them are bad, there is some cool people online) Call of Duty 4 is an amazing game but I prefer having lan parties with that game than online play, Shooting your freind in the face and hearing them curse is much more fun.
Call of duty 4, i hope people bought that game because it’s fun than over graphics, it’s fast paced and pretty balanced, being beautiful is just a bonus. Assasin’s creed was nice, not perfect and I hope they get it right with the next launch.
I like diffrent and since all 360 and ps3 are the same system with better graphics, I will stick with nintendo.
All Nintendo needs to do is to change there games up a bit. Mario and Link are great but sadly, they are the same game,
I summing this up right now as I wasted enough time on this, Epic is lazy, Go outside, have a shower. Gaming rocks
‘we go forward, not back’ yet won’t develop for the PC platform anymore, which has the most next-gen graphics/platform of all the systems….
That’s fine. All Epic is doing is putting themselves in a niche market - developing games for the high end machines and the hardcore gamers.
The Wii isn’t really in competition with the Xbox and PS3. Xbox and PS3 are in competition with each other. Wii is going after a user base that has no interest in PS3 and Xbox - the people who want games they can pick up and casually play, games that don’t require dozens of hours to get good at. The Wii is for simple, fun, casual gaming…and a lot more.
Wii Fit, for example, is going to be a monster hit in the US.
I like to read these posts because the majority of the people who talk badly about the Wii say something like “We is worst system evar and it lick monkey dik.”
I just find it entertaining to read these.
ill just put this in here to speak my mind
its not a gimmick its innovation. just like xbox games looked better by year three of the consoles release, and the same goes for xbox 360, playstation 2 & 3, nintendo will figure out new ways to take advantage of their controller.
want proof?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
if i had stock in epic, id sell it and buy nintendo. great job on being a small minded egotistical bastard mike, i hope gears 2 makes you enough green to hold you through retirement.
Wow, imagine that. Different consoles have different target markets. Game producers have different target markets. The Wii is great for some people, and a waste of money for others. Likewise, an Xbox360 or PS3 is great for some people, and a waste of money for others. This doesn’t make any console inherently better or worse, it just means that its a better or worse use of YOUR money for YOU.
Get over yourselves. All three groups of fanboys need to grow up.
FWIW, I have all three, and split my gaming time about equally between them, the previous generation (again, all three), and the PC.
It’s funny to read what people have to say about a console, I have a wii and it’s just like every other console I have owned, it gets used often, but not every day, I just dont think that there is any reason to come on here and say the WII sucks when clearly its made some great strides in how we interact with games and techonology, I think it’s wonderful even if the graphics arent like a PS3, which I will never end 400 bucks on. If you are comparing it to a 360 then I would agree that the 360 offers more in almost every aspect of console gaming, but the fact still remains that interfacing with a video game with something other than a normal controller is pretty neat, and while some of the games are dumb, they are fun to get a group together adn be a little goofy every now and then.
Forward, as in all-round processing power. Not just the graphics. The Wii doesn’t allow complex AI, physics, real-time game world generation and all that at once. It’s given up about every other technology progression except for human interfacing.
It’s still fun, but Epic is right about its investment in the future.
This individual is completely out of touch with what means to “move forward”. I wonder if they will ever make a game that uses motion sensing on the control. They should not because that is not moving forward. I have a Nintendo 64 (yes!), PS2, PS3, and Wii and I have to say that the fun on playing Wii cannot be matched my these others…
The only thing I at this point I would look at Epic for would be licensing their Unreal Engines as they’re pretty damn useful. Usually more stable than that of the Source engine, plus it doesn’t require STEAM.
Besides that, Epic is just doing the same thing over and over again. Clearly their concept of moving forwards is a mobius strip.
The Wii is a solidly built machine. True that it doesn’t offer the library of the other consoles, but what it does have is generally pretty fun. And isn’t that kind of what games are about? Fun? Don’t get me wrong, for sheer number of games with genuine enjoyment, I stand by the 360. (Sorry PS3, maybe after MGS4 comes out I’ll start paying attention.) But I own a Wii, and unlike it’s competition, I have yet to be disappointed with anything it offers. If by “forward” Epic means to re-hash the tried and true safety of pretty flashing lights without substance, then by all means, carry on drone. You haven’t done anything I liked before or after Gears of War anyway.
“Wow, imagine that. Different consoles have different target markets. Game producers have different target markets. The Wii is great for some people, and a waste of money for others. Likewise, an Xbox360 or PS3 is great for some people, and a waste of money for others. This doesn’t make any console inherently better or worse, it just means that its a better or worse use of YOUR money for YOU.
Get over yourselves. All three groups of fanboys need to grow up.
FWIW, I have all three, and split my gaming time about equally between them, the previous generation (again, all three), and the PC.”
I can’t be bothered to read through everything, but this is the best post I’ve seen on this topic.
You guys/girls/nerds/dicks/internet gangsters are mighty stupid. If you like the Wii then good. Blow your friends play the Wii and have a good time. If you don’t like the Wii fine. Just go blow your friends and play X-Box or Playstation 3. Its not that serious. Get out the basement and see the light of day. Arguing about this is mighty nerdish.
“Get out the basement and see the light of day.”
Good thing you came here to point it out though…evidently you have enough time in your day to do this.
“Making games for wii is so stupid, how can somebody say the wii is taking games forward? You know it is a step backwards in gaming. Every true gamer would know that!! Trowing your controller around in mid air or hitting the cat of the chair with your wii controller sure aint taking games forward!! Games is about creating mature graphics, ai, physics, and trying to give a real life or movie like experience!! ”
if you quit your fanboyism and look up stuff, you’l notice that not all games require that MOVEMENT, and you should know no one is throwin the wiimote around hittin a cat or something….u are the example of a fanboy CASUAL gamer…give yourself a pat on the back for keeping your retarded immature valueless opinions that make no sense, plus have been used before constantly before Wii was even released…i mean seriusly…idiot
if you are a true gamer, u’d have a lot of systems and play them just because you want to…..is not about the techs in the game…however they should be improved over time cuz no one wants to play against a CPU that acts blind or mental….But you also should know that The wii aint goin backwards and give u blind or mental CPU’s, and those “minigame” gimmick games are not made by a lot of 3rd party Developers, just a few but they are just porting too much….(COUGH EA GAMES)
oh and to ppl who say epic games are awesome….yea, you only say Unreal tournament and gears of war cuz those 2 were the only good games they had…yep had, well not URT but gears was only awesome the first time you played and could last a month, as i mentioned before, u hind behind objects and fire blindly in the air…where some of theirs have been games similar to what u find on the internet…pffft…sad….very sad
…”where some of theirs have been games similar to what u find on the internet…pffft…sad….very sad”
woops, meant that toward Epic btw
“And who recommends playing with minimalistic movements? Your friends? Fat people?”
Well, I thought I could argue with you, then I saw this…
Poopface, it’s written everywhere, in manual, in security advises…
You seems to be like an action owner of nintendo, so I won’t bother myself to try to convert you and take you out of the spirit of the nintendo marketing. Impossible to speak with bad faith users.
Ek dink epic games is oulik om so iets pragtigs te sê. Dis ook vir my verbasend hartseer as ek sien dat die nintendo wii meer as ander sisteme verkoop, ek hou nie van die kinderagtige wii nie, want die ding is amper so duur soos ‘n xbox 360 en dan lyk die grafieka so sleg soos die gamecube sin. Nintendo julle moet julle kak stop assablief my liefies, mamma gaan julle bliksem!
A lot of people seems to forget that none of these console companies make their own CPU and GPU. They all have the same access to the same components made by made by Intel/IBM/Nvidia. All they are doing is choosing. The fact that Wii has a slower cpu is a conscious decision. So if next time Nintendo decides to use a processor 2x faster than the competition they can easily do so. But of course who’s gonna buy a $1000 console. In another word choosing a faster processor is in no way an innovation.
I enjoy the Wii as much as I enjoy the PS3. A true gamer doesn’t give a fuck about hardware & graphics.
This is idiotic. The Wii was a step forward. Maybe not in terms of power, but it’s like no other console.
The wii is the most popular console at the moment, so why not make games for it? surely it will coss less to develop (no hd shite) and will make more money from sales.
If i was a games develepor, i would be making games for the wii. Fuck the graphics.
“And who recommends playing with minimalistic movements? Your friends? Fat people?”
Well, I thought I could argue with you, then I saw this…
Poopface, it’s written everywhere, in manual, in security advises…
You seems to be like an action owner of nintendo, so I won’t bother myself to try to convert you and take you out of the spirit of the nintendo marketing. Impossible to speak with bad faith users.
The only warnings Nintendo gives is to stand away from objects and people. This is just a good example of the morbidly obese trying to get out of standing up and moving what so ever.
It’s not like you have to try and swing your remote through the air at 95MPH, but but merely act out the motion. It’s a lot more fun then sitting in your over sized lazy boy flicking your hand around.
^ whoops, only the last TWO paragraphs are mine
I’m personally pumped about the new games coming out for the wii.
of course, it’s a matter of personal opinion!
Mike Capps is just Jaleous about Nintendo Success & Ideas.
“A true gamer doesn’t give a fuck about hardware & graphics.”… and a talentuous designer can make a good game on a limited hardware. Mike Capps CAN’T !
Yah Nintendo is great and all for a few decent games (Brawl and Twilight Princess at the top) But really how can a gaming system without a hard drive ever top the 360 or the ps3 and don’t get me started with their online service… at least I don’t have to type in my freind code to play online on my 360….. and maybe if Nintendo made some idk games Rated Mature like Gears of War or Unreal Tournament Epic might actually consider creating a game for the Wii….. Pretty basically the Wii is a shiny toy that can play some pretty fun unadultrated games however hardcore gamers are left sadly dissappointed by the systems lack of Hardcore games and low system specs I mean seriously NO hard drive.Their online services suck and well the games that are produced for the wii are 90% 3rd party garbage for little children who don’t recognize good quality games and for that the wii is pathetic. Although I must say that I do own one and I haven’t turned it on since I beat BRawl
I just read through about 50 of the comments and none have said the truth. Games are only as good as the developer makes them, and like it or not, a game by Nintendo is almost always going to be great. It’s not graphics or the system’s CPU (and if you believe that, you are an ignorant pile.) It’s not a dark story (though story helps.) It’s not violence or popularity. Nintendo has been making player’s save the same two princesses and kill the same aliens for 20 years but the players don’t care because the gameplay is incredible. Yes, the wiimote is a gimmick, but, it’s a gimmick that adds to the experience of great gameplay. That’s what Nintendo owner’s value. Everybody who doesn’t realize that are people that think a football game is worth buying.
. . . What I find fascinating through reading all of the above comments is that there’s a definite trend of Sony/Microsoft fanboys being completely unable to correctly spell simple words. It’s as if they’re illiterate to the point of functional retardation.
On the flip side, the majority of posters defending the Wii have taken the time to spell their words carefully, and PROOFREAD their post before putting it out for all to see.
Even to the casual observer, it’s pretty clear who is winning the argument, based on penmanship alone. Well, that, and Wii defenders actually feel the need to MAKE SENSE in their arguments.
I love XBox/PS3 cultists. That machine that you paid an incredible amount for, I own it. It’s called, stick with me here, A COMPUTER. And frankly, my computer smacks your XBox/PS3 like a little bitch. I does everything your machine does and more. And I wasn’t required to pay an additional fee for internet access.
Amazing!
If you play games based on graphics, you are a mongoloid amazed with pretty colors and shapes. There is no gameplay anymore. All these “next gen” developers care about is looks, not entertainment. Seriously, HD graphics for a game? What a bunch of suckers.
The Wii had the foresight to offer wifi, free internet access, and FREE online play. MoH: Heroes2, Mario Kart, SSB…all free, worldwide play without the use of buddy codes.
The ONLY reason the XBox exists today is because of the Halo series. Everything else is crap.
The PS3 is RELYING on Blu-ray, which doesn’t look like it’s doing too well. How many people other than PS3 owners have Blu-ray players?
Wii is the king right now.
You want great graphics and gameplay, use a PC like a REAL gamer.
You want fun, entertaining games with replay value, get a Wii.
Mr. Capps may have a point here. The Wii is a great system for entertainment at a party or entertainment for multiple people. Unless you’re a hardcore gamer or fanboy (which, frankly, I’d be embarrassed to admit either, due to lack of social skills), the Wii isn’t really designed for FPS’s. I tried Resident Evil on the Wii and found it difficult to shoot the damn zombies (I think they make a gun for the Wii now). Capps is an idiot for saying the Wii has backward technology, but the types of games his company develops just won’t do well on the Wii. Capps is a businessman, looking for the quick buck. He can’t spend years developing a game specifically for the Wii. The Wii has it’s strong points (sports games and, dare I say, “kiddie” games), but leave the everything else to PS3/Xbox 360. I have multiple friends who have either sold or stopped playing their Wii’s completely because it got boring after 6 months. Oh yeah, PC’s are not meant for gaming, unless you lack social skills. I mean, I don’t want to be playing a game on the same machine that I’m writing my thesis on. And playing a game using the keyboard? If we’re going to be doing that, give me back my Apple and my floppy disk for Space Invaders. One more thing, @Deadtoast, the PS3 has free online gameplay, free internet access, and wifi so I don’t know why you’re throwing it in with 360.
I’ve never owned a Wii, and haven’t really had a lot of fun on one yet. That being said, I also haven’t laid my hands on Zelda: Twilight Princess, and I’ve only played Super Mario: Galaxy for about 2 minutes (@ Gamestop).
Anyway, the idea of the Wii is pure genius, and highly innovative. The fact that this Mike Capps guy outwardly gave a negative opinion on the Wii, and also stated that it was “moving backward”
was fucking stupid on his part.
It shows that all gives a damn about is just technological power, and obviously not writing or gameplay. Then again, when I first played Gears of War I kind of figured that out for myself within 10 minutes of gameplay.
Fucking sw33t.
I think Epic is just trying to spite the Wii by not making games for it, but in truth, I think this isn’t a bad thing. The last great game Epic make was UT2004 which is on PC, so I’m okay.
Although everyone is arguing against the Wii, there’s one thing you can’t deny - its perfect for casual gamers. Lives are more busy now, and a lot of us only have a half-hour opening to play games on. The wii is perfect for that - its quick loading times and ‘mini-game’ games are great for it, and also it does have longer games for the more commited gamers.
Way to go Epic, stick it to those backwards fools who think only about their pretend fun with a console that’s not actually superior and only sells better because people don’t know that BETTER TECHNOLOGY EQUALS BETTER GAMES.
This entire debate can be solved thusly:
“#
Rob April 21st, 2008 7:32 am
I have played we and it sucks. It was fun for the first two weeks. The only people that I could see that really like the Wii, are women and anyone under 12 years old.”
Thus: The Breeders are the ones playing the Wii. We will outbreed you all!
-Starts singing “Why can’t we be friends”-
Seriously? Why all the hating?
We all have our different tastes in games and consoles and whatnots, why can’t we just accept that and get on with our lives?
When I game it’s for fun, and I’m not looking at how to use every last good point and cover every bad point in my next console wars argument
Just go out there and have fun, whether you’re in motion sensors, controllers or a blend
As a game developer myself, I personally don’t consider wiis regressing whatsoever, they introduced new technology and will be able to include generic system upgrades in their next release
Well… I have one thing to say to this article, and its up to anyone to disagree or agree.
So?
Ok PS3 has A (singular) good game (rock band rocks!!!), and other mentionable games (like GTA4 and other copies of popular games from past) it has amazing graphics (except most games have essentially one color tone the entire game, and everything just looks blurry and shinier), X box… well x box is x box. that doesn’t mean WII is better or PS3 is better, or what ever. They rely on different concepts, and different fan base for games, that comparing their success becomes nothing more then comparing apples and oranges (you can, but it becomes nonsensical) because the argument is not between the actual hardware or the system as a whole but between preferences and opinions. People who want good graphics and shooters who can afford expensive system will never buy a WII over PS3 or X box, where as a casual gamer who just wants games they could sort of afford and find fun with interaction would like WII. its just the matter of preference.
now i will say that i do like PS3 and WII over X BOX but thats because X box breaks easily, and only has 1 game that anyone ever liked (halo) which i found to be really repetitive and uncreative (save their awesome cut scenes, i didn’t enjoy the fighting aspect) BUT THATS PREFERENCE. one can’t judge the superiority of different gaming consoles because the role they were intended to fulfill are so vastly different (X box is meant to be returned to microsoft to be fixed).
EPIC as a company is just a second rate company that can make really nice graphics. people like their graphics so epic has some fan base, but they are also limited in that the CEO has short foresight in planning and management of games. game should be fun because its an entertainment system.
last time i checked entertainment meant providing some excitement or extreme fun-ness, not giving user pretty pictures and command the users to go do meaningless things in a game that has no real creative input.
what is the point in a $60+ game that just shows you better graphics on the essentially the same things you did for the last 5 to 10 years?
Its understandable that it is hard to have a creative output but for a CEO to criticize a vastly successful company of being back wards on the grounds that “graphics are worse” is a cause for concern. what about the other aspects of games that gamers want like STORY LINE or ACTUALLY ORIGINAL GAMING CONCEPT??? EPIC has not yet shown that it could come up with a creative output, and the sight of an unsuccessful CEO ridiculing an opposition on an invalid grounds makes me gag.
I will challenge any supporter of EPIC or X BOX or any other games/systems to change my mind. E-mail me at FIND.ME.INFINITY@gmail.com. I will eagerly await a lengthy debate.
I hate heavenly sword, let me throw that out there. It took me 3 hours to beat on the day it came out and i couldn’t return it. its pretty and all but REPETITIVE, and essentially BORING, gives user no real improvement in gaming experience, its short lived, it has a story line that just sort of happens, but didn’t engage me at all, and wasted $60 i spent on it. It seems the only real purpose in that game is to watch the main character maim people in 12 different ways… which after the 1st hour of demo got old. this is classic example of game having PRETTY PICTURE but still is still a horrible game.
@jenny creed
please explain me why i would prefer pretty pictures over these things:
1: Interactive environment
2: New Gaming experience
3: the ability to enjoy the game with multiple human beings animals ect
4: story line (this is big)
5: excitement
6: sence of accomplishment
7: connection to the characters in the story
8: engaging plotline (different from story line because story line could be awesome but have horrible scripts or just bad presentation)
9: satisfaction
10: feeling like buying the game was a good investment
11: feeling like the game made buying the console worth while
I MEAN WHY THE HELL WOULD I BUY ANOTHER GAME LIKE HEAVENLY SWORD OVER STARCRAFT WHICH IS A VASTLY SUPERIOR GAME???
(if you want to argue that heavenly sword is better then starcraft or that starcraft in general sucks, then E-mail me, because starcraft has been out for 10 years and still has world wide championship, and is actually listed as a sport in 3 countries, meaning there are starcraft players who actually earn millions of dollars playing starcraft.)
I found RE4 to be a lot easier on the Wii since the aiming is more accurate, close to that of a keyboard and mouse game. I own a Wii and a PS3 and honestly, I play whatever I am in the mood for at the moment. I played Unreal 3, got bored, played Bully for a while, and now it’s GTA4 because I am loving it. Next game I will get will be Okami because I tried it out for the Wii and it was just awesome. I think all systems have their strengths and weaknesses and if someone thinks interaction with the game is not “playing” the game, they they are truly idiotic… because that’s what game play really is, interaction with the game’s environment. Wii has potential to pull out great games, I don’t care for flashy graphics or high frame rate, I just want something fun! I’d play Goldeneye on the N64 over Gears of War any day, simply because I don’t like their cover system. But that’s just me, and different games and different platforms cater to different gamers! Have fun with what you have and stop bashing other systems. They’re just toys at the end of the day, not a friend or family member you have to vehemently stick up for! With that said, I have to go kill people in GTA4, bye!
good.. because epic dont need to be making shitty games for the wii anyway.
the only game i really liked from epic was the original unreal tournament. the rest just blew.
Mike Capps is a fucking dumbass and so is anyone who would gleefully sacrifice gameplay for graphics. Hey, Mike “dumbass” Capps, I still have my Super NES and play it more than any other gaming system i’ve ever bought. Why? Because the GAMEPLAY is awesome. I DARE you to come up with better gameplay than the greatest game ever made: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. It has a freaking top down view and owns all games ever made! So next time you feel like opening your mouth and saying that “better graphics = better games”, do the world a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
I think the people defending the XBOX360 and PS3 because they’re the “superior” FPS machines are hilarious. Since when is a console good for an FPS? Either way, I firmly believe that it takes a real idiot to make a statement like the one Mike Capps has made. Regardless of how I feel on the matter, or how anyone else feels about it, there’s just no good justification to say something that’s very obviously going to come across as immensely ignorant and, well, even conceited. Gee, Capps, you sure are awesome for taking a stand and proving to the world that you are way too hardcore to do something lucrative like develop games for the Wii.